Sunday, January 31, 2010
Macharey, post class
ANiCO -- Reply to Jackson Ryland's "The Unconsciousness of the Work" (After-Class 1/28)
I try to answer Jackson's questions on the originality of ideas, the originality of the Bible, and ideas in the mind vs ideas on paper (if I'm interpreting his question correctly).
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I personally believe that originality stems from the interpretation of another idea--specifically, another text--and the combination of other ideas. Maybe there have been other people before you who made the same combination of ideas. Maybe not.
But the concept of something original supposedly having to be something to have no origin other than itself is ludicrous and an unhealthy ideal. Everything is intertextual, it's just how people work: we are social and learn and create more by communicating and merging our ideas. Even our brains work as a network of memories, where we combine old experiences with new ones and create ideas that way. We take other things and distort it--either through time or by combining it with other ideas--and create something "new".
The Bible is just another example of this. For a long time these stories were told orally, before the technological advancement of writing. Maybe there were many versions of the same stories that we see now in the Bible before they were written. I wouldn’t want to offend anyone or belittle a religion, so I’ll just say we can’t tell if these stories were divinely given to one person, the originator, or were just distortions of stories from other people’s lives. In either case, intertextual distortion had to have happened as they were orally handed down through the years before it was finally written. And even after The Bible was finally written, the time from then till now, plenty must have been distorted through translation and reprints.
Separate from that, the concept of “an idea isn’t an idea until it’s written down” is more difficult for me. I want to say that any idea that passes through a mind exists, no matter how fleeting, in time and space. It WAS there, even if for not very long, and even if no one (even the person who’s thought it belonged to) remembers it.
I think when you write down an idea, it belongs more to everyone else than yourself, because it’s out there for interpretation. I think of crazy things all the time, but whenever I write them down to remind myself later, I always get this sinking feeling about it when I look at it again. When put in writing, it changes. It’s not so much reminding me but making me reevaluate it. Was this a good idea? Does it sound too much like something else? Why did it sound so much better in my head?
If anybody remembers Lacan’s mirror theory in CMC100, this is what this thought process reminds me of. Your own idea becomes an objectified image more at the mercy of the “eyes” than your own original thought.
Ann Ganotis, 1/31
After our class on Tuesday I much better understand what the French men were talking about that in the reading we had to read for class. At first I was very confused to how everything all depends on what is not seen, what is referred to as the “gap.” I felt like the point that the theorists were trying to get across was clearly stated many times but never actually fully explained. The examples that were given in class made me understand what was being said a lot more clearly. What I think they are trying to say is that what is not said or scene, it is more important than the information that is not provided. People have files in their brains that they store based on acquired knowledge through out their lives. People often times subconsciously tap into these files and used this knowledge to make decisions as they go about their lives. A good example of this is signs and symbols. From, even before we learn to speaks, at a young age we are taught to associate things with what they mean. Male and female signs often times don’t actually look anything like a man or a woman. People still understand what they mean even though they are usually really simple symbols. It is what is not said that is in the meaning. What background knowledge that we use we use in making an interpretation is what the gap really is according to my understanding. We use the gap in making sense of the language and being in our world. It truly is really used in everything in our language. Other examples that I can think of at the time are logos and symbols. Really simple symbols that are used on handbags and other accessories is a good example. Just by a small symbol many people are able to figure out who makes the bag and around how much it cost.
"The Unconsciousness of the Work"
VAGABOND, post-class 1/28
Alison, Post class 1/31
King Kriggle , Jencks for 2/2
Since we didnt have any new readings for tuesday I decided to go back and examine some of the older ones and see if i could draw any new conclusions or have any new experiences when reading it. I came back to Jencks and the different principles of postmodernism. Specifically i continued to come back to #4 again and again, this was the postmodern trope of anthropomorphism. It is in the sense of architecture and art, as defined here, as the usage of human characteristics on buildings and sculptures and other things of the like. For example making an arch very closely resemble the curve of a woman’s hip or something that “echoed the body’s muscles and transcribed its favorable states” (Jencks 285). This can be seen all around town if you know where to look, one such example would be the sculpture outside of the building on marks and orange, at least i think it is marks and orange, it might be highland and orange haha, but anyway I think it is the Wachovia building, but there is a sculpture out there that very closely represents the legs of a human being. In the sociological sense anthropomorphism is one of the greatest mistakes that a field researcher can make. it is the act of attributing human characteristics such as emotions, thoughts, or actions to an animal. When researchers do this it completely negates any facts they have found and their research is usually dismissed as anecdotal. A good example would be to say that “the dog was feeling useless because the relationship with its master was less jovial and this caused the dog to want to learn another way to communicate with the owner.” It is interesting how it is not well received in the scientific sense, but is very well respected in the architecture and art sense as far as the postmodern aspect was considered. overall i find the idea of anthropomorphism to be quite interesting because so much of the technology, ideas, fashion, and everything else comes from our interpretations of nature. After all it you can’t beat it, might as well join.
King Kriggle , post class 1/28
After the absolutely awesome class periods that were had this week I really got to thinking more and more about how these interesting frenchmen could and would sit down and look at the meaning of words and try to get to the bottom of it. It was interesting looking back at the aspect of the “Gap” as discussed in class and how people will naturally fill things in based on their interpretations and experiences, but at the end of the day it seems to me that the overall purpose of a language is a mutual understanding. I think this understanding is dealt with in great deal with the experiences that we have in life. I related this to the idea first brought about by Watson (from furman where i used to go to school) in psychology. He came up with the idea of behavioralism, which in my opinion is most likely the best idea out there. Before him a lot of people were concerned with the structure, function, and overall systems of the mind. So naturally their theories followed suit with structuralism, functionalism, and other forms that looked at the mind and body as a sort of machine. Well my boy Watson, like these fine frenchmen, had a different idea whereas his idea of behavioralism (behavioralist psychology) states that we all start out roughly the same, not too far off from the tabula rasa (blank slate) idea in philosophy, and that our experiences govern the way that we interpret, react, and carry out the basic functions that we will encounter in our lives. Looking at language it is interesting to me how this idea seems so profound because to be honest with you I can’t think of one word without attaching a picture, a smell, a memory, a sound, or something to it in my head. An experience could be attached to a word as simple as “tea”, i might think of something my grandmother makes or something of the such and with this craft a meaning behind it. That is after all how people communicate in different languages, to understand one word in a different language we must see a picture of it or compare it to something in our native tongue. well anyway it kinda sparked some interest with me.
1/31 Intertextuality
meg143, post class 1/31
Our class discussion last week on Macherey and Barthes theory was very interesting and got me thinking a lot about where the meaning of words and symbols really come from. And how the meaning of anything and everything comes from personal interpretation.
“So the real trap of language is its tacit positiveness which makes it into a truly active insistence: the error belongs as much with the one who reveals it as it does with the one who asks the first questions, the critic” (19 Macherey).
This quote represents the idea that all meaning comes from the critic and not necessarily the author. This same idea of active interpretation can be found in language as well. We were asked what the word “gap” represented and the Gap clothing store, a gap in communication, and the phrase “mind the gap” commonly said in London all came up. Words and symbols are inactive however we, the critics are the ones who make the words come to life, and our interpretation creates the meaning.
While I was studying abroad in London, I found myself constantly surprised at how different the same language could be in two separate countries. The same words and phrases were meant to represent a very different meaning. It was somewhat difficult to adjust to this at first but I began to have an open mind to British English and was able to adapt to it well. My favorite example was “Are you okay?” a phrase that is said out of concern and hope that you are not feeling down or hurt in American English. However, in British English this phrase is said constantly every day and is just another way of saying hello and casually asking how your day is going. The meaning to everything truly does lie in the gap of the language or in the hands of the critic.
Jean, Post Class 1/30
This week in class we talked about how there are always differences in language. We discussed how we fill in the gaps to make something seem like what it is in our mind. I liked how you put up the words “A Short Story” and asked us what we thought. Everyone came up with different ideas of what came to there mind when they saw those words. Then you added more words to that set. When “Baby Shoes” and “Never Worn” were added we tried to connect them in our mind. We tried to fill in the gap of the message that was trying to get across when in reality they did not have to be related at all. We filled in the Gaps of the hidden meaning due to our experiences we have had and exposure to the media to shape our way of thinking. I never thought of how we really due fill in many things in everyday life with language. When we read headlines and campaigns we interpret them in different ways. We “fill in the gap” in our mind on what they are trying to sell us. It makes you think of what makes us think outside of what is written on everything we see. We tend to take things to the next level when we see them not just reading what they say on paper but over analyzing things to tell us more. This is especially done in novels interpretations causing language to mean different things to everyone. Everyone was brought up differently and has seen and been different things. This reflects how we think and interoperate different messages we see everyday. It makes you think why we fill in the gaps of things the way we do.
Saturday, January 30, 2010
clem, Macherey and intertextuality
Wednesday, January 27, 2010
Joe, pre-class, Jencks
I found the article by Jencks very interesting and a new way to look at Postmodernism. While I was abroad last semester I took an Art and Architecture class and studied a lot of Roman and Greek architecture. The different styles and techniques are all so unique and beautiful and are a good representation of what life was like during those eras. The 11 different cannons of postmodern architecture had a lot of quotes that caught my attention. “Instead of a perfectly finished totality ‘where no part can be added or subtracted except for the worse’ we find the ‘difficult whole’ or the ‘fragmented unity” (Jencks 281). This movement involved the mixing of different ideas and styles and creating something new and more beautiful. This is a very postmodern idea and is much like bricolage, mashing up different genres or themes to create something completely different and unique. Another example of this was represented in the section on radical eclecticism describing James Stirling’s addition to the Tate Gallery. Stirling used so many different mediums to create his masterpiece, from stone, to brick, to glass. The “disharmonious harmony” makes the building so much more special than if it were just to follow one specific style. Radical eclectism is defined as “the mixing of different languages to engage different taste cultures and define different functions according to their appropriate mood” (Jencks 283). The mixing of different ideas and cultures is so much more appealing to others and has much more meaning and power behind it. While abroad I was able to spend a lot of time in the Tate Gallery and it really is an amazing place, it was my favorite museum in London.
Ann Ganotis, Jencks
A point that Jencks made that interested me was a quote on page 289. It read, “Double-coding can, of course, be used in an opposite way to emphasize the disjunctions, as for instance Stirling and Salle employ it; but however the method is articulated it acknowledges the simultaneous validity of opposite approaches and different tastes.” I think this quote means a couple of different things. First I think it means that by giving art or architecture two meanings it allows the viewer to make his or her own interpretation of what the meaning is behind the piece. Since the piece has two different meanings it will probably be easier for viewers to at least be able to identify with one of the views. When pieces have double meanings it is more likely that they will appeal to a broader audience. People that have very different tastes could still both like something that has a double meaning because one party may identify with one of the meanings and the other party may identify with the other meaning. This allows things with double meaning to become more popular than things that have one very concrete way of viewing them. In the passage before this quote it is discussed how double-coding can allow viewers to read the past in the present as well as the present in the past. When it is used in an opposite way as stated in this quote, double-coding uses irony, ambiguity and contradiction in order to validate the differences and make double-coding work. By using opposites double coding can show the differences between two things and how they compare and contrast with each other. By showing two opposites side by side, the polarization of two different things comes out more blatantly than if each was shown on it’s own. This is how double coding works to emphasize disjunctions.
Alison, Macherey
“Theory begins from that incompleteness which is so radical that is cannot be located.” (page 16) Macherey is trying to make sense by theorizing about theory. He completely gets how people feel lost without answers. Nowadays people rely more on facts and real answers than religion or a higher power. They want to have concise solution to their problems to which technology and science are the answer. In todays world religion is loosing followers and technology is gaining. The rate that technology is increasing has had a vast affect. The ideas that people have can be shown to millions in a matter of hours or days. The internet is a platform in which the everyday person can broadcast their theory, however radical, and receive feed back and support.
The idea of the gap is a part of what Macherey focuses on in his article. People will take what they see and fill in the missing details. “There remains a possibility of saying something else” (page 5) This quotation perfect describes how no one will see the same thing in a piece of media. Many artists want the viewer to make opinions and film makers now purposely leave out details. This is because we think in a post modern way, always jumping to conclusions and trying to fill in the gap. An example is the movie series Saw. The audience will try to draw conclusions and figure out what is to come even before it happens. They believe that what they know will come true, but the movie has so many little twists and turns the theories are thrown off. The way media is viewed is all through filling gaps. The post modernity of having the need to fill the gap is the way we live our lives now.
Devon McGowan, Jenks
“The great advantage and delight of multivalence is the continual reinterpretation it prompts, a result of the multiple links between the work and its settings. This unlimited semiosis (the continual discovery of new meaning in works that are rich in external and internal associations) is characteristic of both postmodernism and inclusive art in general.” (290)
In the ever changing postmodern world we are experiencing today, it has shown to be true that no longer, like in previous times, is there an ultimate, absolute central meaning or universal truth, but rather meanings are created based off a system of connections and making references that are fluid and, likewise, have the ability to change. There is not a single approach or method of interpretation that is believed by all, but there is a plurality of methods and interpretations that can be employed and stand as true, simultaneously. Absolutism no longer exists in the interpretation of such things as art and architecture in which both the author and audience have the ability to assign multiple meanings to the same piece, depending on their own individual experience and the connections they each have personally made. The author or artist is force to make choices and lends faith to his/her audience, knowing that the initial choices he/she had made are no longer within and are out in the open to be reevaluated and reassigned. Context also plays a key role in how the piece can be interpreted and reinterpreted, and it appears as if this room for multiplicity in interpretation forces the audience to unify the text as a whole on his/her own. We all play active, participatory roles in this process of interpreting and lending meaning, and it is through this process that connections are generated, borrowed, and reproduced. And although this process may provide for some instability for it is not certain nor predictable by any means, it does support the notion of being able to experiment and create something that is all together new.
Andrew Wells, Charles Jencks
Tuesday, January 26, 2010
VAGABOND, Jencks
In the reading, Jencks discussed oxymoron and juxtapositions: unwholesome whole, disharmonious harmony...etc
I remember in John Berger's "Ways of Seeing," he talked about how some advertising companies incorporate renaissance/romantic art and add the postmodern ingredients to it, causing confusion and unexplainable "desire" in consumers. This seems to be the notion of juxtaposing world views and other tastes that make it more realistic.
Jencks
At the end of the Jencks article the idea of post Marxist views are brought in as a related theme of post modernism. The theme of return can be related to what we have been discussing of Marx in my Sociology Theory class. We looked at how Marx Materialism perspective looks at how in history we have always in some way relied on the same ideas. How in tribal times we relied on fishing and food. In feudalism we had power in landownership. In capitalism we expanded to power of factory owners vs. labor workers. This shows how we have changed and expanded over time but have always returned to the original idea of needing material items to survive. In the article when discussing Marx, Jencks uses the term “preexisiting patterns as the transcendence of them. We see this through history and society how ideas stay the same but change and expand for the times. This can relate back to language and how language has changed over time to fit society, but there has always been language and writing. This continues to relate and support the quote“ A post industrial society for instance still depends fundamentally on industry matter how much its power structure and economy have moved on to the next level of organization”. We see this supported in Marx theory and through that we can relate it to post modernism and how we continue to relate to the past in art and language, but just make small changes to fit the newer times and adjust to the culture.
Monday, January 25, 2010
ANiCO - Macherey (B4 Class)
I understood the reading more in the beginning towards the end. I couldn’t tell you anything about the “two questions.”
The only part I feel I can make a comment on is his definition(s) of criticism. I understand the concept and how he relates it to support his own argument—criticism to be there to seek out what is implied by media, and what is the relationship between the implicit and explicit—but I don’t know if his description of criticism is the end-all-be-all, an ideal, or a small aspect of itself?
He describes the point of criticism “is to speak the truth, a truth not unrelated to the book, but not as the content of its expression” and “to give it different status, or even a different appearance” (15) and how critical discourse “is in some way the property of the book, constantly alluded to, though never announced openly.” (16)
These I do not understand. How is criticism truth if it’s explicating (or implying) what was said and omitted in the text? If you can take what is not said down many different roads, how can any of it be truthful if it’s all different views on the same thing? Are all criticism truthful? Am I being truthful right now when I question Macherey’s definition of criticism? Are the people who say Obama wants to make death panels being truthful (because that’s still a form of criticism!)
Whether critiquing a movie, a book, a politician, or an idea, I feel that criticism is just another form of an opinion. A different point of view, but not something you should necessarily trust as truth.
The second quote on the property of criticism being that to what is being criticized irks me. One must always allude to something else to be able criticize it, but must an object be the owner of critical analysis over who is actually making the criticism? Is my thinking not my own, but belongs to this particular piece of text because I’m reacting to it? I don’t think so. Am I misinterpreting it? Am I still right to criticize even if I’m misinterpreting it because it’s still a form of interpretation?
Andrew Wells, Macherey
VAGABOND, Macherey
I remember back in school, those times when I am doing something I am not supposed to be doing in class - texting, facebooking, chatting with the other person, flipping through magazine...I have always been jerked back to the humdrum class lecture by silence. It's interesting but I always tense up and cautiously note what is happening to my surroundings as soon as the teacher stops talking.
"Silence is golden."
Well, that's nothing new. Coming from a family where the loudest wins...I certainly know the power of silence. I know that a mother who refuses to speak a word is worse than one that is raising her voice.
However, regardless of speech. The International Baccalaureate and CMC certainly does an excellent job on nurturing us to become wonderful critics. Aside from speeches from communication courses, I also know about the silence in writing.
What is not being said here? What is left out in this argument?
Macherey sums it up in the end, "It is this rupture which must be studied" (23). Indeed, from everyday magazine articles that persuade you to invest in another piece of pop culture to the everyday lectures on "going green," I think it is important to question what is being said through what is not being said.
More importantly, I was struck in awe by Descartes' quote: "I ought to take cognisance of what they practised rather than of what they said" (15). I definitely agree with the point being made here. After all, is it not our nonverbals that is more convincing than what is actually being said? Our actions speak louder than words, and if we don't practice what we preach, who is to believe our argument?
Paige Ehart, Macherey
The first couple paragraphs of the Macherey article are focused on the concept of criticism by ways of implicit and explicit forms. While much of the article made sense there was a sentence that just baffled me. "It might be said that the aim of criticism is to speak the truth, a truth not unrelated to the book, but not as the content of its expression" (C, 15). Whenever I see a criticism or a review of a book, movie, etc. I read it with the hopes that the critique will help me decide whether or not I want to watch the movie or read the book. I rely on these criticisms because in a sense, they represent the truth that I want to know. In CMC 100 we talked about the concept of implicit and explicit forms and in terms of content. The implicit form of critique is the way something can be criticized without directly reflecting the content of the thing being critiqued. The explicit can be viewed as a way of sending a message directly through the content of the thing being critiqued. I feel that this can be related to Stuart Hall’s structure of encoding and decoding media. Encoding is to convert a message into code, which I think is how many of the critiques are viewed. Decoding is the translation of data or a message from a code back to the original languages or forms. This relates back to the sentence from the Macherey reading that I did not understand at first glance because encoding and decoding are ways of getting around the message but by also using the truth to describe it. One must look into criticisms of works as a representation of the truth whether it is or isn’t in the context of the message that was initially laid out.
King Kriggle on Macherey
After reading Macherey there are a lot of questions and applications that come up. To me the most interesting part of his entire piece comes in the form of his ideas about criticism. To begin the work must be incomplete and there must be something else to be said after another fashion (pg 15). This is very interesting to me because in my experience it didn’t always seem to be the case, but when looked upon further it seems that a perfect work, or one that had no margins or void would be nothing to talk about because there was nothing about said work to discuss. Take for example a “perfect movie”, now if the movie was so wonderful that there was nothing wrong with it, all you could discuss would be the form, there would be no reason to hypothesize about what was being said or trying to be said in something because it was complete and everything was explained and said that needed to be. Thankfully we do not live in a world that is that blatant because if we did it would surely be a boring one and there would be no room for interpretation, and interpretation to me is the beauty behind works, as this was the center for Habermas and the public sphere. Room for discourse, debate, and criticism is what invokes new ideas, new thoughts, and keeps the wheels of society and knowledge turning. Looking now at another point made by Macherey would be “the aim of criticism is to speak the truth, a truth not unrelated to the book, but not as the content to the book” (pg 15). Now as mentioned earlier I do believe this to be a noble cause and a good idea, but in relation to the real world one could very easily get criticism and interpretation mixed up really easily and some serious problems would come along with assumptions like that or interpretations. One only need look at the Bible and what different interpretations of that have caused. Not only a few wars, but also the deaths of a good deal of people and several schisms within the religion itself. I don’t know about anyone else, but i would be hard pressed to name even 10 denominations and branches within the Christian belief. I once had someone tell me they were a “reformed protestant with calvinistic beliefs”...what the hell is this? Seriously??? When too much criticism or interpretation gets involved you end up with something so convoluted and confusing that the person saying it probably doesn’t even have a full grasp of what they are trying to say....well it definitely makes for a good debate haha.........
Sunday, January 24, 2010
Modernity
One of the things that interested me this week in class, specifically on Thursday was when we discussed how we associate different products with signs. One example of this is how we associate the golden arches with McDonalds. It is in our sub-conscious that we associate different signs with products because they are imbedded in our minds through the media. I’ve always found it interesting how we attach ourselves to signs, and hold onto our relationship as tightly as possible. For example we no longer say tissues, we say Kleenex, even though that is a brand of tissue. The way we attach ourselves to certain products seems a bit ridiculous, but most of the time we are not even aware of what we are doing. We have associated ourselves so much with one brand, that we give the product the brand name. It was also interesting to discuss how different signs can mean different things to people. We discussed the Exxon sign, and how even though we all associate that sign with gas, people also see gas station (Exxon) as directions, food, or beer. Even though different people have different ideas on what Exxon means to them, the primary idea is that it’s a gas station. I thought the quote “Without language, thought is vague, unchartered rebla” was an interesting idea to think about, because although there is a good point being made in saying without a way of expressing yourself, thought is irrelevant anyway. However, without thought, language would not exist. I also took this quote as saying that language is more important than thought because it is our primary way of communicating with each other. I disagree with this idea, I believe that thought in itself is in no way vague, and through thought we can communicate by means other than language. Those were my highlights from class on Thursday.
Joe, Post-Class, 1/24
VAGABOND, post class 1/21
As mind-boggling as semiotics are, it is far more applicable than I had ever imagined it to be.
Looking back at Winter 2009, Tiger Woods' sex scandal has certainly caused a riot in the world. The golfer is said to be having an affair and then details on his other mistresses became publicized. Companies such as Gatorade, Gillette, and Accenture are said to terminate his contract in December, ending his sponsorship deals.
In class today, we distinguished logos from bp petroleum and exxon mobil in a powerpoint slideshow. It was interesting to see how we can spew out the company's name in a heartbeat. We also talked about the first thing that comes to our mind when we see these logos. This demonstrates the importance of semiotics and how it has manipulated our thinking. For example, gas stations also represent places that we can buy beer, make phone calls, use restrooms etc.
This ties in to why companies such as Accenture ended the contract with Tiger Woods: consumers associate Woods' image with their company.
Unfortunately, Woods' image as a hardworking athlete is not what matters right now, but human frailties are tied in because Accenture's primary ad campaign lies in Tiger Woods' image. This can result in loss of future clienteles because they will associate Woods' personal life with the company's brand.
Friday, January 22, 2010
clem 1/22
Thursday, January 21, 2010
Jean 1/21
Today in class we discussed semiotics the study of language. I found it interesting in this discussion when we were shown symbols in the PowerPoint presentation such as the Exxon sign. Right away most of us thought gas because that was what we were taught in society that Exxon represents a gas station. We then went on to say that this symbol could also represent beer, directions, car trouble etc. It is interesting in this example to think how everything is related in some way in society to language. This idea of how we interpret different signs and symbols due to the way society has taught us to. When we show someone a sign we assume they are thinking the same thing as us when in reality that symbol may mean something different to them then you. In our society we learned that particular Exxon sign represents gas but when you showed us the original sign Exxon made before our generation we were all confused. This idea shows how language is always changing as time goes on. This shows how things progress and change over time. It also is interesting how one sign can mean many different things depending on the person who is looking at it showing how language is different to everyone. It shows us how our interpretation of language has a lot to do with how and when we grew up. After this class discussion on sign and signifiers it really made me look at how different things are represented and how content in language has a different impact person to person.